Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Callaway MD 3 48 bent to 50 KBS 610 S+ AP2 irons are forged and can be bent with no problem, BUT I would recommend taking them to someone who does this for a living. Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. I am purchasing new irons and am seriously considering getting the lofts 2* weak to create a 48* PW and 4* loft spacing. When looking for clubs that fit your game, a professional club fitter will look at these factors down below to determine what their lie angle should be: I know this concept can be confusing, especially if you have never been fit for golf clubs before. The club only has .5 degrees of bounce as it is. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. I know my distances with the Ping set too well and I dont want to go through a whole season of trial-and-error with new irons, so would it make sense to have my new Mizuno irons bent to the old Ping specs? I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. Your email address will not be published. I suspect Ill be waiting a very long time, Amen, finally some one with great insight. You can post now and register later. Fairway Metal- Taylormade SLDR Mini Driver 12* w/ Fujikura Rombax TP95-X", Utility- Mizuno MPH5 1 iron w/ Aldila RIP 85X (depending on course/ conditions), Irons- Mizuno MP- FLI HI 2i w/ Aldila Proto ByYou 100X If you want to simply hit the ball further, find an iron that launches really high and spins really low, you will knuckle ball the shot a long ways, but odds are you will not be able to control yardages or stop the ball under most conditions. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Getting your first putt inside three feet will greatly improve your score. I was 50 yards out on the 3rd hole, and was in the moguls. Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. Thats not to say this exotic land doesnt bring a classy winner. question on bending a forged iron 2 degrees strong By ssfranny, January 22, 2019 in WRX Club Techs Reply to this topic Start new topic ssfranny Lefty Boomers 3.5k Feedback 20 0 0 Total Rating 100% Posted January 22, 2019 Have a set of basically new MP 53s I want to bend them 2 degrees strong to make them play more a modern loft. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. Endycotts weakness so far seems to be the driver, and with his stats suggesting he recovers well top-15 for approaches in recorded events this non-penal track should suit. I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. More photos from the event here. The average golfer hits a 7-iron to around 30 yards from the pin. May 20, 2016 at 10:43 AM
All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. Novak has finished 11th after the first round in Hawaii, fifth at Torrey Pines and in the top-30 at Pebble Beach and at the Honda. That said, no equipment can make up for poor fundamentals in your approach to moving a golf ball around three to four miles of real estate in the least number of strokes. Clamp the piece of angle iron into the vise. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. Ball- Bridgestone Tour B X, In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I take healthy beaver pelts with short irons, but the 2 iron is just a nip of grass. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. I am wanting to bend my 5-PW one degree stronger and my 4 irontwo degrees stronger to fit better with my wedges and hybrid golf club. All rights reserved. But regardless of the type of change you are trying to make, you also have to be willing to commit to it and suffer the learning period oftentimes you have to get worse (for a while) to get better (permanently). You can post now and register later. Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? I dont want the extra length added to the shaft plus the x7 2i shaft I have for it is the last x7 shaft i have. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. At 100 mph you are obliterating the ground. Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. Nick so, how much difference can CoG location make to the optimum loft? Seriously. Will the clubs dig more or enough to tell a difference? I am glad you mentioned shaft length, static lengths for GI clubs, how it impacts flight, etc. One good example comes to mind. . But if your best place for improvement is in your approach shots or play with the long clubs, you simply must work on your fundamentals of the golf swing. Bravo, As a club fitter who deals with players that purchase equipment based on what their ego tells them they need verses the facts this is a breath of fresh air! PXG 0311P Gen 3 - 5to PW - Nippon 125 X Brent Grantcould very well be one of the seasons fairy stories by September, having already secured his 2022/23 card with a stunning 50-foot birdie putt on the last hole of the Korn Ferry Tour Championship enough to finish 11th and sneak in. Callaway MD 3 52 bent to 54 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. Started Thursday at 03:24 PM. Ping G400 Max driver w/Aldila Rogue 125 Silver As far as lofts for amateurs go, I feel like long irons have to little difference between them. Distance is fine, but I have an overly high flight in the wind. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X Titleist does recommend no more than +/- 2 degrees from factory and you should be ok. Any more and there is a risk of the stress cracks in the hosel area (primarily cosmetic). With added ball speed comes more launch. APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! Thank you for such an eye opening article. Good info to pass along regarding COG. Another reason why stronger lofts dont always mean more distance is something I do frequently to help golfers hit the ball farther weaken lofts. Furthermore, he was 15th at the end of the first round on debut here last year and 11th after Thursdays round at the correlative Corales in the Dominican Republic. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Bending irons 2 degrees stronger gopher99 May 9, 2021 May 9, 2021 Thread starter #1 G gopher99 Active member Joined Mar 15, 2019 Messages 233 Hi, i need some info from the more knowledgeable people on here than myself, I would like to bend my mizuno 921 forged irons 2 degrees stronger to fit in with the gapping on my wedges. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Manage your expectations, dont expect to hit every shot close, Make smarter club choices based off the above, Be sensible: The middle of the green is a GREAT place to be, The average golfer will get up and down from a bunker, 1 out of 5 times, The average golfer manages to get up and down around 1 in 3 times, Short game shots from the fairway have the highest success rate. But when I show them the results on golf radar, which can be as much as 5-to-10 yards more carry distance, they start to get it. So I changed my swing to compress the ball better instead, and just took extra club and swing easy. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. How much of static bounce is positive at impact?..we have to start from a static bounce of MORE than the difference to have any, and 31* minus 20.2* = 10.8 static bounce is needed to get ZERO. Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. Hope I did not complicate this any and maybe helped you, Driver ---- Callaway Big Bertha Alpha Speeder 565 R flex---- 3 wood TM V-Steel Aldila 65G R Flex 15*--- 7 Wood TM V-Steel UST Pro Force 65 R flex 21*---- 9 wood TM V-Steel stock MAS Stiff shaft 24*--- Irons 4 thru 9 Mac Muirfield TT black label --- PW Vokey SM-4 51* stock shaft--- SW Vokey SM 5 L grind 58* stock shaft--- Putter -- Rusty Scotty Santa Fe fluted Bulls Eye shaft---. Instead, I will take Novak at slight odds-on in his three-ball against Scott Brown and Arjun Atwal. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. There are however a few key points that golfers need to know about changing the lie angle of their club so that they can get the most out of their club. Your previous content has been restored. It has been working really well for me. Callaway Epic - HZRDUS BlackCobra F9 3 Wood Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. The 4 iron will have a negative bounce if you bend them 2 degrees. The incredible story behind Arnold Palmers $275,000 irons from the 1960s, OLD vs. NEW: TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 2011 irons vs. My modern irons (Full launch monitor numbers), Legendary club designer Larry Bobka speaks on his new $599 blade irons, What are these?! But Im not sure whats being accomplished with weakening irons. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. Great answer Blake. After this long introduction, Nick keep preaching this gospel. examples, keep you head down, hit down on the ball, you gotta swing inside out. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. The difference after they were set to factory lofts and lie for my swing was amazing! Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! The so-called "standard" lie angles are 9 iron at 64* with a spacing of 1 deg between clubs. If you bend lie, you will effect swingweight. Ball speed from the new irons is what is creating the distance. there comes a time when too much loft jacking is too much. Then if your wedge gaps are off you might tweak them a degree. What the heck are they were talking about? 2 degrees upright, what does this say about my swing etc Sounds like it's a long iron. A typical #6 iron on the Tour is 31* on loft but Dynamic loft is average only 20.2 Taylor Made Stealth 10.5 Aldila Ascent Red R flex, Wilson D7 forged 5-GW- Mamiya recoil 460 R flex, Titleist Pro VIxoptic yellow with revkev stamped on them. This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. This is a statistic that is fairly consistent across all abilities of amateur golfers with only a five percent difference across all golfers. Definitely worth getting L/L check done and adjusted where necessary. Bending TM P790 irons up to 2 degrees weaker. Is it safe? Good idea? My miss is hitting it fat, so I was especially concerned with how bending them strong would affect bounce. It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. This could cause them to dig at impact, and no one wants that. While you might prefer the overlap, interlock or full-finger style, the hold on the golf club is pretty much the same the upper portion of the grip has to be under the pad of the upper hand and held more in the fingers than the palm of both hands. I dont pretend to be an expert, or even close. would 2 degrees be too much and change the club's characteristics too much? I do know a typical modern club the PW has the loft of like an older blade 8 iron. Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. Product Instructions & Manuals Add loft for distance?????? I already have a udi 2i and am too cheap to buy a 1i to replace it. Clear editor. Free shipping for many products! Lower lofts will travel a bit farther and a bit lower, higher lofts will travel a bit less and fly a bit higher. Craig, It would increase if you added loft. The idea of one ideal spin rate and launch angle for each iron doesnt really make sense to me. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth . Upload or insert images from URL. 5 Testers Needed! That is why getting the numbers is so important. I did this several years ago and it ended up being quite expensive, so dont be me and order your custom set all at once! Not only does it mess with the bounce/offset, but it's only a number on the sole if the club. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. So you bend them 1 degree strong, bounce follows it by a degree. Odyssey #7 Tank, I got a set of Titleist 716 cb that are bent 2 degrees strong (they end up being 1 Degree weaker than my old z745 I believe). APPLY NOW: Cleveland Frontline Elite Putters! A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. Callaway MD 2 58 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? I am a good long iron player and prefer them over fairway woods and especially hybrids. Titleist 818 H1 19 HybridMiura CB-57 4-PW More ball speed helps them keep the ball in the air longer, which raises their maximum height. The question is, again, Do you really want to get better at golf?. Just curious for those who have personal experience with this as to the answer. 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. It would decrease the bounce on each club, not a good idea, as well as it would cause the ball to go farther. Its ball speed not loft that is increasing distance. OK, quick question. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG356* TW grind. You may want to try searching if you need more info. The decision wasn't about distance it was about gapping. How to Bend Angle Iron | eHow I've never had a sand wedge bent, I suppose that could be an issue but if you open the blade a bit the bounce comes back. Some get more spin, some less. A flat lie angle is simply when the heel of the golf club is bent so it is higher than the toe. Terms & Conditions GolfWRX_Official Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. Loft is used to get the irons back to the proper launch window. The bounce angle will also change when making the clubs stronger or weaker. High bounce irons absorb a change like this more easily. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. It is common for the golfers I fit to hit todays irons, which average about 2 degrees less loft per club, as high as their current set (if not higher). Everyone tries to boast yardage, not consistency and accuracy. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. Cast club heads made of industrial steel are all on the so-called "unbendable list". However, even a degree difference can affect the direction where the ball might start out and can be the difference between you hitting the green, and you landing in a bunker! I teach golf on the Eastern side of Michigan where I am the Director of Instruction for three golf courses. Or, is the bounce all the same?